[WNYLUG-Users] New AMD processors and Linux

SilverBear silverbear at inbox.com
Thu Feb 2 18:38:03 EST 2012


Yes thanks, Peter. [Peter is you, right, Monkberry?]
There is no substitute online for being able to talk to a guy who deals with this stuff daily.
I'm glad you're here.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: josephj at main.nc.us
> Sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:32:15 -0500
> To: users at wnylug.org
> Subject: Re: [WNYLUG-Users] New AMD processors and Linux
> 
> Thanks.  That's the best feedback - from someone like you who's actually
> dealt with more that a few items.  Most reviews, etc.are hard to
> evaluate because you have no idea how much someone really knows or
> whether they're connected to the product in some way.
> 
> On 01/31/2012 08:13 PM, Monkberry wrote:
>> Acers are good for about a year or two, you might get lucky beyond
>> that. I've sold a lot of them and have a lot of them around here that
>> were returned completely fried. Usually from weird usb insertions that
>> would just bork the entire motherboard. And the tech support is like
>> trying to find a needle in a hay stack and horrible web site, forget
>> about finding bios updates, just bad all the way around.
>> For a good quality good priced laptop, stick with Lenovo, and the tech
>> support I've seen from them is outstanding, from emails, to texts (yes
>> texts) to actually phoning me after I had to send one in for a
>> defective display (I've literally sold over a hundred Lenovos and
>> that's the only one that had a problem like that). Just superior
>> customer support, it was a pleasure to see that these days.
>> 
>> On 01/31/2012 07:50 PM, Joe wrote:
>>> So, I assume you have no issues with video drivers (at least now).
>>> 
>>> Is there an easy way to compare between AMD and Intel processors - to
>>> generally rank them by "real" processing power.  I've looked at
>>> benchmarks in the past and they generally confuse me or have results
>>> for everything except the model I'm looking for.  Aside from running
>>> p2p software and occasionally transcoding an avi to a dvd, most of
>>> what I do is web browsing, email, and some coding and writing.
>>> 
>>> I keep hearing that Acer makes low quality products.  I even heard
>>> that their last CEO said as much just before or after he was fired.
>>> They are certainly attractively priced.  What has your experience been?
>>> 
>>> On 01/31/2012 08:24 AM, J G wrote:
>>>> I have an acer laptop that has an AMD quad phenom 2 chip with ati
>>>> 6450 video.  My laptop
>>>> stays cool and runs fast as hell.  Mint runs great on it.  Win 7
>>>> boots up nicely too.  I always
>>>> use a laptop cooler though.  I myself use intel laptops at work.
>>>> The real world performance
>>>> of the AMD chips is superior to intel, benchmarks do no tell the
>>>> whole story.
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* SilverBear <silverbear at inbox.com>
>>>> *To:* Western New York Linux Users Group Users Mailing List
>>>> <users at wnylug.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 30, 2012 10:03 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WNYLUG-Users] New AMD processors and Linux
>>>> 
>>>> I've been a fan of AMD processors for years. The desktop machine I
>>>> built for myself, upon which I now type, is an AMD-64X2.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not so sure about having AMD in a notebook though.  My son and I
>>>> have fairly comparable laptop machines --in fact, they both have the
>>>> same integrated nVidia video.  And the processors are similar
>>>> power.  His label is Compaq and mine is MSI; his processor is AMD
>>>> and mine is Intel. =>  Mine runs MUCH cooler. <=
>>>> 
>>>> Colin used to prop his notebook up sideways with a book under one
>>>> corner so the built-in vents & fan would be more effective.
>>>> I wound up buying him a metal-frame cookie rack (family joke) with
>>>> an optional USB fan so that more air can circulate underneath. It
>>>> works fine with that cooling stand (without the fan, usually), and
>>>> it only cost, like maybe, $12-15 at Geeks.com <http://Geeks.com>, or
>>>> NewEgg, or someplace like that. But I'm glad I don't need to mess
>>>> around with mine.
>>>> 
>>>> Not only do the AMD processors themselves run hotter, but they are
>>>> not as tolerant to heat as Intel CPUs. I'm talking factory specs,
>>>> the fail temperature.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, let me say that _was_ true in 2009 when I was looking for a
>>>> new notebook for myself. After Colin's hot time with his Compaq, I
>>>> decided to do research on CPU specs, and that's what I came up with.
>>>> (And so, I bought a portable w/Intel.)  Whether it still holds true
>>>> a about 2 1/2 years later, I can't say.
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: josephj at main.nc.us <mailto:josephj at main.nc.us>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:30:18 -0500
>>>>> To: users at wnylug.org <mailto:users at wnylug.org>
>>>>> Subject: [WNYLUG-Users] New AMD processors and Linux
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the past, a rule of thumb  was to stay away from ATI video
>>>> processors
>>>>> because they didn't play well with Linux.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now that AMD owns ATI, does that same rule apply to all their newer
>>>>> chips (A6, A8) that have Radeon (ATI) graphics built in?  I assume it
>>>>> would, but I want to be sure.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think one of the notebooks at the install fest was one of these and
>>>>> the video didn't work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My notebook is on its last legs and needs to be replaced and I
>>>> believe
>>>>> that AMD based processors usually have a better
>>>> performance/priceratio.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> 
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